Heating Safety

Every year I try to put together and update some important notes for reptile keepers both new and advanced.  I learned long ago there is always something to learn- even things we think we have mastered.  Most discussion in this hobby tends to be about new morphs, breeding tricks, and the like.  There are several good forums out there where caging and heating are discussed at length and there is now a lot more educated users out there with some really good, accurate advice.  This past year there have been a few high profile fires.  In several of these heat tape was not involved but the lessons are very applicable to most any heat source.  I visited the Pro Exotics facility a week after their fire and it was one of the most devastating things I have ever seen.  The loss of animals and time is unimaginable.  The one good thing that can come from this is awareness- I have seen a huge increase in safety related questions both personally and in forums.  Below are some bullet points on the topic of heating- specifically racks and heat tape.

Which size heat tape?

This can be tricky sometimes as there is not necessarily always a clean cut answer.  A good place to start is you generally do not want to cover more than a third of the bottom of the tub.  This will give you a good gradient in most cases but the really important thing is animal safety.  You must always plan for failure- what happens if the heat tape goes to full power due to thermostat failure, probe being dislodged or some other reason?

Anyone who has been in this hobby any length of time has heard of someone “cooking” a bunch of animals.  This happens due to a failure of some kind.  But did animals have to die due to overheating?  If your initial set up was correct, probably not.  For example- I personally will not make a shoebox (5-6quart) rack for commercial sale that uses belly heat, even the 3”/ 6 watt.  I learned this lesson myself early in my reptile keeping days and it is also the common thread in the overwhelming majority of “cooked snake” stories.  Hatchling racks.  The animal in the tub simply does not have enough room to get off the heat.  The tubs ambient very quickly gets over 100 degrees and everything in the rack is dead.  This happens in less than 30 minutes in most cases.  There is simply no room for failure with this set up.  IF you have any failure you are done before you got started.

Of course, there are many who simply will not believe you can do without belly heat on a shoebox or any rack.  First, that is not true.  Even Ball Pythons do very well in 6 qt. tubs with back heat in a 70 degree room and it is almost impossible to cook snakes in a back heat rack with a room temp below 78.  The small tub size actually lends itself to this very application.

Larger tubs, say 12qt and up, have much more air volume and floor surface area so your margins of error is quite a bit higher.  The bigger the tub the safer this gets and depending on the species being kept these larger tubs often benefit from belly heat.  Same rules still apply. I do not like the idea of using 11” heat tape for belly heat in a 41 qt tub in most cases.  Even though it is at or under 1/3 the tub the potential for overheating is very great!

Try your racks out!  Without animals in them plug them in full power for several minutes and see what happens.  Monitor this carefully and don’t walk away from it!  See what the max temperatures are.  Know your system!  Your heat tape will be fine operating like this for a short period of time, say under 45 minutes.  By then you should have the answer you need.  If the coolest spot in the tub is 100+ you are setting yourself up for trouble.

Why does heat tape fail?

Almost all heat tape failures come from overheating.  Sometimes the excess heat is not obvious though.  I have both seen and had described to me roughly 6 or 8 times per winter season.  Some interesting trends- Very seldom does this happen in the summer months and it always occurs under tub(s) in rack systems.  To date I have not seen a back heat set up fail.

This tells us quite a bit.  The first thing to realize is heat tape is a tool to create a basking temperature for your animals, not to necessarily heat the enclosure.  There is a big difference.  A good example is the 41 quart tub with a Ball Python.  In the summer months the typical room temp seems to be mid 70’s.  With the heat tape running at about 92 you will see about 88 inside the tub on the floor.  This will give you about an 80-82 degree ambient with 4” heat tape.  Now, if the temps in the room drop your thermostat will naturally up the heat tape power to make up the difference but this is not really linear.  A 2 degree drop in room temp does not necessarily mean a 2 degree rise in heat tape temp to maintain your floor temp in the cage.  It may be closer to 4 degrees.  You will also see your ambient tub temps take a nosedive below 70 degrees room temp.  If you attempt to offset a cool room with heat tape power output you will be setting yourself up for trouble.  Think of it like trying to heat a house with your oven.  You can do it but not for long.  Bottom line, room temp is critical.  A couple of degrees can make a huge difference in your ambient tub temp and the longevity/safety of your heat sources.

Substrate is another common issue.  Aspen, cypress, and other similar substrates act as a great insulator.  Let’s say I have my stat probe on the heat tape (belly heat rack) and my tape is running at 92.  What is the heat tape temp under the tubs though?  If I am using paper or a thin layer of aspen then  probably 1 or 2 degrees more than that.  Still OK.   Now use a 2 inch layer of aspen.  There is now almost no heat dissipation and a lot of heat will build up between the tub bottom and the tape.  Potentially 115+.  That is not a hazard in itself, I am 98 degrees, but it will wreck your heat tape.   Failure  will occur.  The substrate is a blanket that will be a big problem, especially in the winter when the room temp drops.  Keep the substrate thin and let that heat dissipate!  Your animal will find the heat under the substrate, don’t worry about the temp of the substrate on its surface, what is it on the floor of the tub?

Heat dissipation is why you don’t see back heat fail, the heat always has an “out”.  I have tested 11” heat tape at full power for months without failure like this.  Put the same heat tape under a tub with 2” of aspen and I can get it to fail in days or less.

Summary:

Know your setup and its capabilities.  This applies to cages with heat panels or lights, racks, 10 gallon tanks, etc.  What is the highest potential temp of my setup?  Will it kill my animals should there be a failure?  What is the actual temp of my heat tape?  Temp of heat tape under the tub(s)?  Can my probe become dislodged easily?

I would suggest a monthly inspection of your setup.  I know, a pain in the rear but think of the risk of not doing it.  It is actually pretty hard to start a fire, especially when dealing with PVC or metal racks and cages but what about all of the money and time you have invested in your animals you can lose even without a fire?  What about the lives of the animals themselves?  The most distressing thing about my visit to my friends at Pro Exotics after their 2011 fire was the loss of the really amazing animals they had.  Sure, the dollar amount was very high, the building itself was a total loss, the equipment, etc as well.  On and on.  But the incomprehensible amount of effort was what hit me.  I keep very few animals these days, usually under 50, but I know how much time and effort is in that.  Multiply by 1000.  I can’t.  How do you replace 20 years?  How do you replace 5?  Could the fire have been prevented?  We do not know yet as of this writing, the investigation will continue well into 2012, but the question is still there.  This fire has led me to test several heat elements we use in this hobby in new ways to learn how they work and more importantly do not.  This has already led to some new ideas to incorporate in future products to help prevent these events.  There is always something to learn.

You do not know if or when something like this will happen but one thing is certain, if you are not diligent with anything that is plugged into the wall you are that much more likely to find out.

Racks are Back!

Racks are Back!
We are now up and running.  Got a few small bugs to work out but we are taking orders on the website again and will be running on our usual 2-3 week lead time for the next couple of weeks.  After that we should be down to a week or less on the lead time.

Update on racks

Good news-

As I had hoped my decision to discontinue the racks has helped to force some action.  Today I pretty well closed a deal which would solve the problems I faced, lack of space and manpower without substantial increase in costs.  I found what I hope to be a very good solution- someone I already work with on some other projects who has plenty of space and some manpower.  While not at all “reptile people” they do have good machine expertise and I think will be able to do a very good job.  I will continue to sell the racks and they will build/ship them.  It is also in the plan to build up an inventory, something I did not have the space or manpower to do, which will greatly improve our already pretty good turnaround times.  The eventual goal would be almost immediate shipment of most rack orders.  I know- crazy talk!  We will see.

As of now I am wrapping up the building of all orders I took in over the past couple of weeks.  We hope to have that pretty well done by the end of next week.  Then the not so fun task of moving a CNC router and other support stuff to the new location.  While that should be a 2 day job you know how that goes!  We should be up and running again mid February or maybe a little sooner!  Once all of that is done and the new guys get comfortable with how this all works I hope to expand the line a bit and also bring back the cages.  One thing at a time though.

Discontinuing Racks

After looking at the numbers for the past year I have found that the racks are putting me in an uncomfortable position.  With the slowing economy we have actually held very steady on rack sales, which has been great.  The problem is other aspects of our business are expanding greatly, many of these we could not even foresee as recently as 6 months ago.  We can either expand our space and overhead greatly, and the racks simply will not cover that added expense, or something has to go. So while the rack business is a good, profitable one it is not one that fits into my current situation any more.

As it stands right now the rack business would be a good opportunity for the right person and I am open to discussion on purchasing it.  The “right person” would ideally have access to 600-800 square feet and at least a decent amount of  building/fabrication savvy.  I do not mind training and getting someone set up but I simply do not have the time to dedicate to starting from scratch.  I would rather not sell it than sell it to someone who will not do a good job of it and maintain a reputable name.  After all, a CNC router is a fun toy to have around.  I will find something to do with it!  If this sounds like something that would interest you I can be best contacted by email at sales@reptilebasics.com.

Thanks for all of the years of support and we will be around for many more years to come.  I am partnering with another very reputable name in the industry a little later this year on a very big and very exciting project.  Stay tuned!

Rich

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Daytona Expo

Back from the Daytona reptile expo.  Nice show as usual.  Getting smaller every year to be sure though.  It seemed like the Florida fish and game guys were not so uptight this year.  They still went out of their way to make their presence known, citing quite a few vendors, but did not seem out to prove something this year.  Last year was ridiculous.

So, while the show was smaller with fewer vendors the crowd looked to be similar and they spent money.  Lots of money.  We had our best Daytona show on record last year and we beat that by about 25%- so how bad could it have been?  While this is not the crazy extravaganza it once was it is still the biggest and best I have seen.  We will plan on being there again in 2012!  Pro Exotics had the Ship Your Reptiles table there and looked like they took a whole bunch of shipments from people.  That really is about the handiest thing I have seen- ship your new animals home!  Where was this 10 years ago??  It sounds like they are adding a few more shows in 2012 they want to do this with.  Can’t beat it if you are flying to/from a show or are spending a couple of extra days for recreation like I do in Pomona and San Diego.  I think I have them talked into hitting those next year so we will see!

Next we are in White Plains NY again on September 11.  Any pre order racks need to be in pretty soon!  As usual we are filling up fast and I am not sure we will have a lot of racks for sale at the show due to trailer space limitation………..

I got a few of the new VE-300X2’s together in time for Daytona and pretty much sold what I brought.  This is the new 2 zone model with two independent probes/alarms/night drops.  They will be available on the site as soon as we get through this next production cycle in a couple of weeks.  Waiting on the display’s- always something it seems.  You will also be able to find them with our resellers then as well.  Now that we have that one behind us, there is more coming!  I have a couple here so if you are interested in one now send an email and I will see if I can fix you up.

I really hate to jinx a new project by talking about it before it is in hand but-

I am expecting our first shipment of the new RBI rodent watering valves in about 2-3 weeks.  This has been a long time coming.  The Edstrom valves are nice but they are very sensitive to any kind of dirt in the water and the water pressure itself.  If all is not just right they drip and flood a pan.  Not really cool and I have it happen to me too.  Very aggravating.  Our new design is spring actuated so one size valve works for all rats/mice/ASF’s and is pretty much drip proof.  I have been using the prototypes on my ARS mouse rack for weeks now and they are flawless.  The mice seem to be able to drink easier at a younger age as well ’cause they are growing a bit faster.  Thought I was imagining it at first but you can see a difference.  I am not ready to commit to a price yet because I do not have the shipping charges as of yet but it looks very good.  Should easily beat the Edstrom price as well.  The replacement o-rings will be much less expensive as well.  No more proprietary guts in the valve.  This has been long over due but with a bunch of research and testing I think we have it beat!

Summer shows

Been awhile since I updated this.  I guess I am not a social media kind of guy?

So, thermostat roll out has been great.  A lot of time and planning went into this so I would have been disappointed if it did not.  The next Vivarium Electronics model out will be the dual zone this September.  Looking forward to it and have already had a lot of interest.  Software and hardware are done and being tested.  Had it running for a few weeks now and all is well.  Pretty much a dual of the VE-300 so the software tests and development has not been quite as intensive but still, a lot of things to check to make sure it is working.  All the parts should be in by the last week of August so we will have some together and in a box the first week of September!  We are already working on the next one after the dual…………

Rack sales have been off the chart.  I really do not know where all of this goes?? I was a bit apprehensive removing the cages from the website when sales on them sort of trickled into not cost effective but now it looks like the right decision.  Racks sales have just gone up and up.  We are able to keep pace pretty well without the cages to work on as well.  No matter what we do it seems like we can not break through the 2 week wait.  There is always a show to build for, large order or a bunch of smaller orders.  Good to be busy though!

I am off to Pomona for a Reptile Super Show next week at the Pomona Fairgrounds.  Great show- the one in January was packed and that is what I generally think of as the “off” season.  Now that everyone has hatchlings it should be quite a bit busier if that is possible.  Daytona is right after that.  We will not have racks at either of these shows, just not very cost effective to bring them we have found.  That allows us to bring more of what people do seem to want- hides, thermostats, stainless, heat tape, etc…….

Then we are back in NY for the White Plains show September 11- this one we will have the usual racks and lots of them.  Get your pre-orders in by the last week in August please!  With all that is going on in August I want to make sure we can take care of everybody.

Have a good summer and hope to see some of you at these shows!

Incubation, ponds, shows and more……

Huge amount going on here since last I posted.  Time goes by fast!

First off, I get questions about this pretty often and I just had a clutch of albino pyro eggs (cool!) so I figured I would post a pic-

SIM Incubator

SIM Incubator

This is a SIM incubation box with about an inch of water in it set on a 6×11″ ultratherm plugged into a VE-300 thermostat.  It does not get any easier than that, does it?  I only have a limited number of clutches this year and they should be spread out pretty well so this is a very compact, easy and effective way to get the job done this season!

Also been working on a pond.  I have had a group of Redfoot’s running around in a pen in the back yard for years.  Down side is they have to come in when it gets cold.  I am pretty much out of space and also moving them in and out during the transitional months is a bit of a hassle.  So, they got sold off this winter and I am setting up an aquatic turtle pond in the place of the pen.  Coming along pretty well, I am now waiting on the liner to show up.  I should wind up with about 2500 gallons of water and around 11′x5′ of dry land incorporated in all of this.  Sun is about perfect with a couple of hours of direct and then mixed sun/shade the rest of the day.  I am going to use a couple of Tetra pumps and Bio/UV sterilizer units to keep it all pretty.  I have not decided on the species yet but need something both legal here (that list is getting smaller) and also able to over winter outside.  I am leaning towards the European Pond Turtles and maybe a couple of local painted’s for fun.

New Pond

The Vivarium Electronics thermostats have been going very, very well.  Selling a little too well actually.  I am trying to get ahead on production and hope to achieve that this coming week and better yet- stay there!  Good problem to have.  We are now working on the two zone version of the 300 and hope to be done with testing some time around the Daytona show this summer.  Hopefully sooner but it will take as long as it takes to get it right.  The VE website is more or less up now.  Resellers in USA and Canada listed.  I am going to get to work on more product info, etc next.  Vivarium Electronics

Shows this season will include both Super Shows in CA- San Diego and Pomona.  What nice shows!  I was a walk-in at San Diego last year and it was absolutely mobbed.  Good vendors and a good crowd.  As good as it gets.  We set up in Pomona in January and same thing.  Packed.  So, we are going to try it again.  This time we will be vending at both.

Also, White Plains NY as always and Daytona this August.  Busy, busy summer.

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Vivarium Electronics

Some of you have probably noticed that I have added a new thermostat on the site in the last couple of weeks!

About 3 years ago I started working with a group of engineers to create something that fit into what I believe most reptile hobbyists can really use.  First thing I found was most of the thermostats out there, expect for a couple of higher end models, where “hang on the wall” models.  Over the last several years I have seen and sold thousands of racks to house about everything from garter snakes to Ball Pythons.  Seems like 8 out of 10 times the thermostat, whatever type, was sitting on its back facing the ceiling because it is simply not convenient to mount them.  Why not something designed to just sit on the top and face the user?

Next thing I had issue with was the very dated design of a brand I had used for quite some time.  Sure, they had served me well but when the price started to go up and up and nothing changed to offer me a little more, like say an up AND a down button at the very least, I found it harder and harder to justify the cost.  Maybe a more sophisticated display that tells me something?  Probe that can be replaced easily because, well, things happen.  Fuse that is replaceable?

After talking with the design group we decided to start from the ground up.  We could have gone through this project in 1/3 the time but would have ended up with the same as everyone else.  We also decided that while cost is obviously a big deal, lets start out with a “perfect world” and work from there.  Multiple buttons, table top case, large display, easy menu, etc and see where it takes us.

So, half a dozen prototypes and a few years later here we are!  After a lot of searching for components to fit our needs and redesigning a few things we are where we wanted to be.

So what does it do……….

I started with the intro of the VE-300.  Full featured with alarms, 16 character x 2 line display, battery backup for the clock (that will last years unplugged!), built in Night Drop, HI/Lo history and more.  Nothing else to buy and on top of that 700 watt capacity.  With the table top case style and a slightly larger footprint we were able to up the wattage by about 40% over the Helix!  Number one issue with designing a solid state thermostat like this is heat.  A smaller, unvented case can lead to overheating, especially in a warm snake room.  That limits power capability quite a bit and also can lead to failures.

Next out will be the VE-100 and VE-200.  The 100 will have the same external features but will just be a simple on/off thermostat.  We are launching this one as an alternative to the Ranco ETC’s and the Johnson A419.  While the wattage capability will not be as high as the realy driven Ranco and Johnson, we have found that most all users never come close to using the wattage potential of them anyhow.  Thhis usint will also be silent, no more “click” every time it turns on and off.  More than a few people have complained to me about that with the Ranco/Johnson because they have them set up in a bedroom.  The mechanical relay also has a limited life span and the reptile hobby tends to be tough on relays- lots of on/off cycles.  Also, the VE-100 will have an available night drop option you can add at any time down the road should you need it.

The VE-200 will be similar the the VE-300 but does not include alarms and built in night drop.  It can be used in proportional OR on/off mode and you can add a night drop any time if you decide you need it.

With this case design you can also stack these units!  Got a couple of stacks of racks next to each other?  The thermostats will not only be facing you so you can read them but will stack on each other to keep your display looking sharp!

Myself and the design team also set this hardware platform up to do many, many more things.  I will be rolling out new products in this line all year as well as something more budget oriented for situations that simply do not require a lot of hardware and software capability.  Stay Tuned!

Fun in Pomona and air travel in winter

We had a great time at the show in Pomona.  Wow, what a crowd.  Ramy does certainly pull them in.  Over all I would recommend the Reptile Supershows to anyone.  Well organized, well attended and sales were good for our first time attending.  I didn’t really know what to ship out there but I think we came out all right.  A few more hide boxes would not have been bad to have on hand but now I know!

Trip home was a bit of a problem.  Seems we had snow and ice here in NC (55-60 degrees in LA) and the Charlotte airport started canceling on Monday.  Not a good thing.  Finally got home about 4 am on Wednesday.  After being up for around 22 hours that pretty much killed Wednesday as well.  To all that have tried to call I apologize.  Friday was the first day I was able to really get to the phone.  It was murder trying to get every ones orders out, get caught up on cages and emails.  I expected to come home to a bunch of work but this was a bit more than is ideal.  I guess that’s what you get for traveling in the winter.  We were lucky we got out of Dallas when we did or it would have been another 12-18+ hours to get another plane.  Pretty backed up getting to NC.  I ran into Andrew Wyatt (USARK) in the Dallas airport on Tuesday afternoon.  What are the odds?  Anyone who has been to that airport will know what I mean.  Anyhow- he was in pretty much the same boat I was.  He got out a little sooner, I think he was headed for Raleigh.  My wife is a teacher- school was out all week.

So what do we do after all of that?  Drive to NY into the heart of snow hell, of course!  We will be there this weekend (1/23) for the White Plains show.  Here, we are right at home.  Hopefully no new snow.

Been looking at the shows for this year.  We will be in White Plains for every show (as always).  We will go to Daytona again this year and we may very well have a crack at the Pomona show in August as well.  Not sure on that one yet but I would like to.   Should keep us busy!